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Authenticity Problem

Bonus timelapse: peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantas…

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in reply to David Revoy

@ghosttie omg looks great .. what prompt? /s

I honestly don't think this comic will help with those people. Their brains are probably already mushy enough that they can't see the parallels.

in reply to David Revoy

@ghosttie
Oh ! Thanks David!

Hop, new potential profil pic to flex on Mastodon :83:

in reply to David Revoy

"Love your yellows!" 😆
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in reply to David Revoy

I know this one is personal for you. That has to really feel like a punch in the gut.
in reply to David Revoy

Thanks for the support! Funny thing I wanted to plug here: I've never received comments like that here on the Fediverse :fediverse: , but I get dozens of them, weekly, on the Meta platforms (Facebook/Instagram)...

I'm really grateful for how this community checks artists' work and actually verifies it's real human art before throwing random accusations.

This is my favorite place to share for a reason. 💜

in reply to David Revoy

I mean I would HOPE people would need a real smoking gun to say that YOUR art is AI. I mean a lot of MFT is Anti-AI, so that would be random if it was made with AI.

Either way it's usually better to question, but not accuse when it comes to AI I think. Unless it is very much egregiously AI than it's better not to just throw accusations.

At least in this comic the vibe I get is just wanting to be a critic and not actually appreciating art though.

in reply to David Revoy

Also I ran out of characters, but really good comic. Glad to see Cepper and Parrot again (Not that the other comics were bad of course I just like the Cepper and Parrot series).
in reply to David Revoy

je ne me suis jamais posé la question parce que je connais ton travail depuis des années. Aucune idée de si je me la poserais si je le découvrais aujourd'hui :/ Ceci dit, j'essaye toujours de faire bien gaffe avant de dire que quelque chose me semble fait par IA, et je mets les formes possibles quand j'ai un doute.
in reply to David Revoy

always happy to support ai artists! (Please don't kill me that was a joke!)
in reply to David Revoy

Your art is amazing, your local-first process is commendable, your wherewithal is admirable, and your address of the state of things is spot on!

Absolutely love your stuff. I love that the lack of algorithm in the fediverse doesn't bubble up "engagement" for you, and that you know you're really valued!

I mean, by me.. Whoever I am.. BUT STILL! Love your work!

in reply to David Revoy

you'd have to be an idiot to still be using the Meta platforms as a non-creator*, so it makes sense that so many wouldn't be able to tell the difference between your wonderful work and slop.

* I understand creators and brands need to stay on there for their livelihoods. I wish they didn't, but I wouldn't call artists needing to make a living "idiots."

in reply to David Revoy

That may be the difference between an audience of enthusiasts and an audience of consumers.
in reply to David Revoy

I really like your artistic style.

Also: If someone sees your "making of" videos and all the Krita videos then it is quite hard to think that your stuff could be AI.

in reply to Dagaz

@dagaz Thank you. Maybe I should make also other type of content: reboot my livestreams, post more short videos of drawing on paper, etc...
in reply to David Revoy

If you think that would help for haters... 🤷
I have my doubts. It's not just the drawing. Just getting a grasp of modern problems mixed with fantasy RPG theme is totally creative for me. Those who ignore all of that now will most likely do so regardeless later on. I think many just see boosted strips and not the other stuff.

I also like the other stuff an forwarded some of your videos to a friend (@KathyKahner). She mostly draws with good old tools like pen&paper. So I thought it might come in handy for her (maybe some time in the future) to get a glimpse of what someone could do with Krita.
Although I suck at drawing (i'm in awe of your skills!), I am still fascinated about the workflow in digital Art.

(But most of all I really like this #miniFantasyTheater strips.)

in reply to David Revoy

At least this one person got it 🫤
This may be the pinnacle of the whole artists getting paid in "exposure" meme. Your art style is literally everywhere, yet what you get out of that is pain 🤬
in reply to David Revoy

I really love your work. Whenever I see a post with it, I know it will make my day better!
in reply to David Revoy

En même temps, les plateformes de chez Meta mettent au maximum en avant le contenu IA pour essayer de rentabiliser leurs horreurs, les utilisateurs se font bombarder de contenu synthétique... ils doivent être un peu rincés de tout ça.

Ici, tu postes un contenu IA, t'as la Fedi-police qui défonce ta porte d'entrée avec un bélier (un bélier furry, hein, faut pas oublier qu'on est sur le fediverse)

Et tant mieux !

in reply to Marud :mastodont_v2:

@marud "Un bélier furry" lol 🤣 lol, merci. Ça m'évoque tellement d'images cette métaphore. Faudra un jour que je fasse une BD avec l'armée chaotique et coloré du Fediverse.
in reply to David Revoy

i'm so sorry this is based on your true story. But let me ensure you how much I really appreciate your art! 🤗
in reply to David Revoy

It must be so frustrating and infuriating. I'm really sorry you have to put up with that.
in reply to David Revoy

We love you, David, not just because your creative work is awesome, but also because your social ethic is. We simply need more people like you. ❤️ Thanks for your shared labour!
in reply to David Revoy

I've seen this happen to so many artists and writers now... I want to burn down every "AI" datacenter and make the tech bros live in the burnt out remains with nothing but the ashes of their computers to eat.
in reply to David Revoy

Coworker: "You write like AI"
Me, who's been writing for 10+ years: "Bitch"
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in reply to David Revoy

Ah, yes, one of the most frustraing consequences of this inflation of genAI bubble is how people are giving in to a tendency that anything slightly competent can only have been made by a computer

People are getting a bit too complacent about being stupid as hell

in reply to David Revoy

uncannily, those panels look a lot like AI as well. nice work.
in reply to David Revoy

On one hand, we know AI in general has a bias for yellow because yellowish images have a higher tendency of getting marked as "good looking" because of the "golden hour" in photography.

On the other, true, while AI hurts artists, due to that, even more for those who like yellow tones! :fuminodepression3:

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in reply to David Revoy

But their is always souls in your work !

The issue with other platform is that people expect ai stuff, they want to see ai stuff and it must look like ai. When they say "it's ai, right" it's not because they don't value your work but because they want to know that they can make a prompt and do the same.

I could be completely wrong, but why stay on such places if they don't want ai crap ?

in reply to David Revoy

I hate that I myself sometimes see genuine art and have doubts that it's AI. I guess it makes me pay more attention to the artist behind the art I see which is good.

Now that "looking like good art" is something that AI can do, paying attention to what it's conveying and who's making it is more important than ever.

I'll take community over mindless consumption everytime

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in reply to David Revoy

exactly the reason i despise all those youtube videos and such on how to "identify" AI art, every bloody time they just end up driving actual artists off the internet, while the slopsters don't give a damn about their callout posts

same with the em—dash

in reply to David Revoy

C'est sur aussi si tu ne met pas un certificat d'authenticité sans IA comment tu veux qu'on sache 😁

🤗

in reply to David Revoy

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in reply to David Revoy

I've been out painting in plein aire and had people ask me if I was actually painting.
in reply to David Revoy

This is a beautiful human made comic strip.

I actually like the painting, too.

in reply to David Revoy

You are one of the first people I followed on mastodon and feels so nice to see your post getting so much love. I have no idea what it can be like doing what you do in these times. All I can do is join here and share this from behind a smile, a feeling of empathy to a "stranger" I have a feeling I know and tell you that I look forward to your posts. Especially now after this one.

Cheers

in reply to David Revoy

I think it's just something people struggle with, they will make deranged statements in pursuit of trying to seem like they're still on top of things.

I know it's easy to say, but don't take it personally, I've always been a fan of both your art and your open source tooling/process.

This stuff is one reason I'm really happy the EU is requiring AI involvement to be labeled as such; it works both ways, and hopefully other countries/areas will follow, so we can put an end to this.

in reply to David Revoy

Sadly there are not much we can do to verify if content has been created by human people or not.
Fortunately, many people don't care about that.
Unfortunately, I care about it so... I'm sorry if I have got wrong identifying an AI work and I've not treated it as good as deserved.
in reply to David Revoy

Forget the style it's even the characters I looked your name up and somebody trained a model specifically for Pepper :aqua:
in reply to David Revoy

Bonjour David,
Merci pour ce que tu partages, cela illumine mes journées 👍
in reply to David Revoy

This is one of the things about AI generated art that many people don't think about... it's that *psychologically* speaking, regardless of whether we use AI or not, we're all now in a state of constantly questioning whether something is authentic or not.

This is an incredibly erosive precedent to be set for human culture. We live in truly dangerous times.

in reply to David Revoy

Oh damn! I owe you a sincere apology.

I'm used to avoid AI slop, and my reaction to the image 1 was “AI gen”. I even closed the image, and then saw the title “Authenticity Problem,” it made me doubt myself. I reopened the image, read the comic, and then watched the timelapse, which confirmed that it was indeed your work and not AI.

And now I can’t even imagine what it must be like for you. Hang in there, and great work despite everything!

And again, sorry! Apparently, I'm biased

in reply to 🐉 Fog Ryû 🐉

@FogRyu Hey, thank you for the feedback, and for doing the extra effort of double checking :blobcatheart:
in reply to David Revoy

On the contrary. Thanks to you! It made me wonder how many images I’ve quickly closed just because they were “AI,” when they actually weren’t...

And on top of that, it seems you’re a FOSS advocate and a Krita user (and maybe Blender, if I understand correctly).

So clearly, I would have missed out on an opportunity, especially since I’m trying again to get into Krita, among other foss.

Et aparemment vous êtes français en plus. Haha.

in reply to 🐉 Fog Ryû 🐉

@FogRyu Oui, de Montauban :) Et oui, j'ai un passé un peu chargé avec la Blender Fondation ; avec quelques participations à leurs court métrage, et j'ai bien suivi les 15 dernières années de Krita, d'assez prêt. Merci de découvrir mon travail.
in reply to David Revoy

Thank you, you're "artwork" finally convinced me that there is no hope for bundles of "happiness" like you. I would encourage you to start finding yourself amongus the land marks of Everest, such as green boots. You AI sloop creature.
in reply to David Revoy

while everyone discusses the text, can I point out how she looks like Midnight Sparkle?
in reply to David Revoy

obviously you just prompted a bunch of stuff between now and whenever you discover time travel and went back in time to back fill your folio in the pre GenAI era
in reply to David Revoy

Do you have a full scale version of the artwork by itself that you could share?
in reply to bassistance

@bassistance If you mean the comic, just check on my website: on the footer I always share a high resolution, the Krita source, the text separated on a transparent PNG or PDF and the comic with just the artworks too.

If it's about the fictive artwork the Gothic Sorceress Cepper is painting on this comic, you'll find it here ☺️ :

framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/1170…


@ghosttie Her fictive painting? The largest resolution I have for this color sketch is peppercarrot.com/extras/temp/2…
in reply to David Revoy

BTW, did you mean to say "Come on!" instead of "common!"? ✨🦜

(Sorry for the parrot, couldn't resist 😁)

in reply to Cyber Yuki

@yuki2501 Yes :) That was a typo I fixed on the website just a minute after posting here; thank you for noticing and reporting it!
in reply to David Revoy

@yuki2501 I didn't even realize it was a typo, I thought it was “common” as in the style being common
in reply to David Revoy

how mych tokens did you spent to generate each frame of those time lapses? Must be more than 10 billion 😬

(Just kidding, keep up the good "actual illustrator" work 💪
Also I wanted to say that my kids loved the pepper & carrot game that was around on Android long time ago)

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in reply to David Revoy

I really love how you explained the problem. The fantasy parrot Avian Intelligence is just perfect. Also, your art is gorgeous!
in reply to David Revoy

@David Revoy Not that I would compare myself to an artist, but in a similar fashion I have already been told that my prose (mostly technical prose—again, not an artist!) must have been AI-generated due to my propensity to use em dashes

Damn it, I—and countless other writers—have been using em dashes long before those stochastic parrots came into being!

in reply to Damien Goutte-Gattat

@dgouttegattat
A lot of technically-minded people use a lot of parentheticals to cover details, and em-dashes really help.

I suspect the AI uses them because it tends to random-walk around the point. It's bad at staying on topic. I always have the impression that it's weaving all over the road and bouncing off the guardrails.
@davidrevoy

in reply to Space Catitude 🚀

@TerryHancock @dgouttegattat True, I wasn't familiar with em-dash before making the translation system for Pepper&Carrot, in French it's not common, we often use the : or ; to split sentences like that, and of course, yes, personally I use too many parenthesis (of course). But I also adopted it.

One of the AI effect I observed; now many French articles have this US/English way to construct sentences, with em-dash. And French tends to adopt it, so AI is shifting local culture more than we think.

in reply to David Revoy

I saw someone using this comic to defend AI. Like "how can you be so sure it is AI and not the work of a real person? " 😔
in reply to Cuauh

@cuauh Yeah... I also saw that. I saw also for my previous comic framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/1170… , someone using it to speak about immigration 🤮
Well... Sometime an artistic content has its own life in the hand of users; I hope the audience can see and find the source that it is not really the message the author wanted to convey.


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